Update: The contest is now ended. We are now going through the submissions and picking a winner. There were lots of submissions and we want to make sure each one gets a fair listen, so hang tight. When we choose a winner we will announce it through our email list and facebook, and contact the winner directly.
In the meantime, the tracks will remain available to download for those who missed the contest but still want to mix the tracks for practice.
Boz Digital Labs and David Bendeth are holding a mixing contest with awesome prizes. Contest Ends Aug 21, so get your mixes in early.
1st Place: All Boz Digital Labs plugins for life! This means that you get all BDL plugins that have been made or ever will be made. That means there will be one less person in the world who wants me dead.
And a PRS SE 245 signed by Paul Reed Smith.
2nd Place: You take home +10db Bundle and Hoser XT.
3rd Place: Your choice of either +10db Bundle or Hoser XT.
Random Contestant: One random contestant will win their choice of either +10db Bundle or Hoser XT. This person will be chosen randomly.
I’d describe this song as a modern rock ballad, but I don’t want my opinion of the song swaying your mixing decisions, so listen to it yourself and judge how you want the final mix to sound.
You can listen to the song mixed by Greg Johnson. Keep in mind that this is a contest to see how you can do mixing it, so don’t use this as any sort of a golden reference or anything. Use your own creative judgement.
Written By: Josh Paschke and Greg Johnson
Performed By: I Am Cassettes – Josh Paschke (Vocals), Jon Levario (Guitar), Darren Garcia (Drums), Greg Johnson (Keyboards) and Kevin Garcia (Bass)
Tracked By: Greg Johnson
BPM: 74 at 6/8
How to Enter
– Step 1 –
Download the stems. There are 4 separate zip files. They are big, so be patient. Choose either Mirror1 or Mirror2 (not both) for each section. The files are the same.
Note: These stems are tracked at 48kHz. Most DAWs should be able to handle the sample rate conversion just fine if you want to mix in 44.1kHz, but I wanted to let you know in case it throws anybody off.
– Step 2 –
Mix your song. Duh.
– Step 3 –
PAY ATTENTION!! THIS IS IMPORTANT. Upload your song to www.soundlcoud.com and tag it with #bdl2015mix. If you don’t do this, we will not see nor hear your song. Make sure that your track is downloadable so that we can hear the original version without Soundcloud’s compression. It’s in your best interest to use high bit rate mp3s when uploading.
If you don’t have an account, you can make one quickly for free.
– Step 4 –
Just wait. We will go through and listen to all the songs once the deadline is here and we will announce the winner.
1) One Entry Per Person. You can enter one song. You are free to post your mix for feedback on other forums or Facebook or whatever, but once you submit it, you have submitted it.
2) Submit your mix by August 21. Any submissions entered after this date will be ignored. There doesn’t exist a single excuse in the world that will make us change our mind on this, so don’t procrastinate.
3) No whining. This is supposed to be fun. Not everybody will agree with the winner. Just accept that fact now so we can all move on and have a good time.
4) Give Feedback to Other Contestants. This isn’t really a rule, but just some advice. The whole point of this is so we can all get better. By giving feedback on other people’s mixes, not only will they learn, but so will you. Be nice about it. I shouldn’t have to say that.
5) Have Fun. If you aren’t having fun, you are doing it wrong. The whole point of this contest is to learn and get better. Any emails I received telling me that I should die or my house should be burned down will be ignored and forwarded directly to your mom.
This is not a loudness contest. Smashing your mix into oblivion is not the purpose. That said, keep in mind that the people judging the mixes are actual humans and subject to the laws of psychoacoustics.
Be creative. This is your chance to try new things without consequences. Get out of your comfort zone a bit and have fun with it.
310 thoughts on “Mixing Contest!!!”
Came across this way late. I aspired to be an audio engineer two decades ago. My last attempt to mix was on an analog board using a Tascam DA-88. I’m getting the bug again, so I decided to challenge myself by mixing this song. This is my first attempt to mix on a PC. I downloaded Audacity for free and used just the plugins that came installed, except for a free noise gate and guitar amp plugin. My monitor is a $30 pair of ear buds. I’m actually quite happy with the the way this came out, although the mix is bright as hell. I had the same tendancy 20 years ago 🙂
Update: Just listened to this over real speakers. Boy does it sound like crap. Let this be a lesson in using accurate monitors.
how are you all gonna have the same person win twice? (3rd and 4th place) what kind of crap is that?!
never min guess it was some kind of mishap on my browser
Congratulations to the winners! It’s been a great contest and I learned a lot!
Congrats to the winners!!!
Not that I stood a chance, but if my soundcloud submission still shows that it has never been downloaded, does that mean it may not have had a listen?
The downloads were just in case we had a close call and we needed to do some deeper listening to compare two that were close.
Just noticed that as of today I have 0 downloads on my SoundCloud submission. Looks like the judges have their hands full. This may take some time. Can anyone confirm when all of the pre-deadline submissions have been downloaded?
Just checked and my entry was on time and according to my stats, never listened to or downloaded.
Bit late https://soundcloud.com/igor-jurtaev/belive-01
can i please get some comments on my mix?
Very late to the party as usual but I stil grabbed the files last night and did what I call a ‘quick mix’ (last night on headphones then again on the monitors today). As I’m not trying to win I can’t spare too much time to go in and nuance the mix (more FX and tricks, vocal level automation etc as I would usually) but I got a basic mix down which I’d be happy to get critiques on (good and bad/constructive) cheers https://soundcloud.com/pro5/believe-i-am-cassettes-snippet-only-pass-2-read-details-bdl2015mix << Only a snippet as competition is closed but if anyone wants the full song I can upload it.
A good mix! More balanced than many of our mixes in this contest. We can hear all the instruments in that passage. If you are interested in a few points with some room for improvement, I’d say:
– A tad bright, more mids would sound nice,
– The voice could be a bit louder as it gets slightly buried in the music; only here and there though,
– The solo guitar would gain from being more prominent.
I hope this help somewhat.
Hi all i’m very happy to be in this contest.I mixed this beauty song with a great care to preserve the dynamics and the transients in the final part especially.This is a song with a great emotional intensity…..i did not think to the loudness stuff.
The loudness war it’s over(Bob Katz)!
Good luck at all
Hey Boz, after reading some of the posted concerns, were you able to get to all the entries? I put mine up on the last day. 500 was the magic maxed out number on soundcloud, were you able to listen to other entries that were posted beyond the 500 mark? Here’s my link;
Is the contest still being judged?
Unfortunately, no. The deadline was August 21st. But it’s great to be able to grab some fresh tracks to mix, if only for the pleasure of it. Great song!
Error on my part. I read too fast. Yes, the contest is still being judged as far as we know. “Like” the Facebook account to get fresh updates from Boz.
Actually, yes. The contest is still being *judged* but is no longer accepting any entries. They have not selected a winner yet.
Good Luck everyone!
Here’s my entry:
I was wondering the same thing.
Is it still being judged?
It sounds like it. Go to the “Boz Digital labs” Facebook profile to read the latest on it.
Hi guys,check it out,thanks!!
When will the winner be announced?
My Mix doesnt appear in the feed of #bdl2015mix page.
Posted 1-2 day until the end .
Please check #bdl2015mix. not just #bdl2015mix
There are a few of use with the period at the end.
Thanks BDL for awesome multitrack and encouraging!
I wonder if any girls took part in competition? Please reply me a link, if there were.
To feed everyone a link, I’d like to share a mix, which is NOT MINE, and actually not my type of mix, but I love the outro, it’s super creative! https://soundcloud.com/amber-days/i-am-cassettes-believe
Thanks 1176 – that’s kind of you to post. I was thinking of making it into an intro at one point, but it would have taken too long to get to the vocals, I guess.
It looks like there are 500 entries – this is not going to be an easy mix contest to judge! I believe mine was entry #480, so the judges ears should be totally fried by the time they get to me ;-(
About the only thing that makes my mix stand out from the rest is I did a little manipulation on the harmonies to make them a bit more interesting. There are others who added a delay to the lead vox, but I wanted to keep it as tasteful as possible without overdoing it. If you’d like to take a listen and offer some contructive criticism, the link to my mix is: https://soundcloud.com/dr-audio-labs/believe-dr-audio-labs-mix-bdl2015mix
I enjoyed doing this mix because I really like the song and it is very nicely produced. Good luck to everybody!
There are over 500. soundcloud only shows up to 500 search results, so anymore than 500, they truncate at 500. searching bdl2015mix (without the #) resulted in way more than with the # symbol. on wednesday the search hit the 500 max with #bdl2015mix. thurs and friday had about 150 or so each day so my guess is just under 1000 entries with #bdl2015mix and way more that match without the # symbol. hard to say.
Boz or whoever is going to listen to the mixes – good luck and may the force be with you.
How many submissions – ballpark?
~ 2400 (http://www.facebook.com/BozDigitalLabs)
HERE IS MY MIX
Mix In The Box
1 hour editing
3 hours mixing
Native Plugins from PT + Steven Slate Mix-Master Bundle (demo trial).
cheers from Brazil
I tagged mine on the 20th – it still shows zero downloads: https://soundcloud.com/otherdog/iamcassettes-believe-bdlmixcontest-otherdog
I wonder if Boz and David anticipated so many entries – brutal!
Looking at the normal user experience on Soundcloud, it doesn’t seem possible to be able to manage ~1000 uploaded entries. I am wondering if soundcloud gave the judges a different interface and way to manage the entries. for example a way to easily download a days worth of submissions. also an automatic renaming of the file names to include the user’s soundcloud username… just speculating. I just don’t see how it would be possible to manage this contest using the normal front end tools.
I uploaded the song yesterday here on the blog, because when I uploaded it on Soundcloud using the tag, there are such number of tracks that I couldnt find mine, there should be at least more than 1000 tracks!!!, I hope he listen the tracks here on the blog.
Several of us have listed the defects of the tracks we received for this tune. Here is a list of what I have found. As mixers it’s our duty to solve every one of those issues before delivering the final mix–that’s typically done before mixing.
– The Kick had plenty of bottom end but was lacking some snap and needed to be reinforced with a sample.
– The two Overhead tracks were out of phase (as said many times).
– The two Drum Room tracks didn’t sound like stereo tracks but like two completely different drum set tracks.
– The Drums tracks, as they were, didn’t allow to recreate a panned position of the cymbals (they ended up in the center) and we had to create it artificially (choosing the drummer or the audience positioning of the drums), while still ensuring the drums would sound as natural as possible.
– The Bass’ melodic fills in the higher notes had to be pitch-corrected.
– The Acoustic Guitar tracks were too bright and needed to be re-EQ’d to sound natural.
– The same Acoustic Guitar tracks had in them the noise of a pick hitting the guitar case, which got masked after a few bars by the other instruments but was clearly heard in the first bars when fewer instruments played.
– The Electric Guitar, playing solo at some point in the song, needed then to be almost as strong as the main voice, since it replaced it during that passage, and needed to be either EQ’d/compressed skillfully or re-amped, in order to give it the strength and clarity necessary.
– The Harmony Voice tracks had a number of breaths to be cleaned up and the syllables needed to be realigned onto the main voice. The voices also had a tendency in a few instances to start at a lower note and slide up to the note they were to sing.
– Finally it sounded like the voices had been pitch-corrected and an artificial sound resulted from it, which lead us to use them only as a texture, in order to avoid exposing them.
– The Main Voices had to be EQ’d–no more than usual–in order to sound not too muffled, not too shrill and to cut sufficiently through the mix.
– Beyond that, it was the usual placement of the elements in the frequency spectrum and in the stereo field, using compressors only when necessary and without ever squashing the tracks, finding the right volume for each track, thickening/thinning out some tracks, applying volume automation, etc., and of course mastering the tune correctly.
– A study of the tune’s emotional content told us that a logical progression of the intensity started with low energy at the beginning, and a confidential tone in the voice, to grow gradually and steadily until reaching its maximum in the tutti of the voices and instruments, in the final part before the outro. Then in the outro, the intensity dropped suddenly. Our work on the textures and the levels of each track had to reinforce that movement.
Let’s not forget that when we mix a tune for a label, the number of tracks we receive can vary between a handful and…150 or more, among which we must find the best takes (or portions of takes) and bring it down to a manageable number of tracks. We should consider ourselves lucky that, in a contest, that work is already done for us.
Best of luck to all!
STUDIO Maks Productions, LLC
Hi. All valid points. can you provide a link to your mix for us to check out?
Hi Brett, I don’t know if among 500+ mixes it’s of any interest, but sure (https://soundcloud.com/studiomaks/bozmixingcontest_studiomaksprod). There must be some killer mixes in the bunch. Best, Mx
– the kick already was a sample, and easily bright enough
– nothing had to be pitch-corrected or cleaned. In fact I liked it much more than all the boring, artificial robot tunes out there. Btw, I love true live concert recordings
Hey man, You are right, your kick sounds excellent! I found too that the authenticity of the tracks sounded very refreshing. That’s probably one of the main reasons why everyone here loved the song so much. Best, MC
well i was told that boz was gonna use pacific time so i pulled the first and did some more work… so the link up top is not correct. here is the new revised one. https://soundcloud.com/jaybranam/believe-i-am-casettes this was my first attempt at automating volumes to swell and playing around i almost missed the getting it up. lol anyways even if i don’t get in… hope you guys enjoy my attempt. (that’s what ADDHD is all about) cheers
Haha, well don’t know if I made the deadline but, I was able to upload the mix by 11:59. It’s still processing.
Here is the link when it’s done.
well i don’t know if i got it in. started the download at 11:58 EST and by the time it was ‘saved’ and processed… the clock said 00:01 EST so it was officially 8/22 🙁
i had a computer go out and i lost all the work i had done. i had to rebuild my computer a little over a week ago. so i been having a spell of bad luck it seems but it is what it is.
not real happy with the final mix but it’s done and maybe they were using the Pacific Date Line and not the Eastern. anyways here is a link and i hope you enjoy it. https://soundcloud.com/jaybranam/believe
thanks to Boz, David and Greg for the contest and the chance to win a new guitar (not to mention the plugins)
In case this doesn’t appear in the search, here’s my Boz 2015. No PVC symphony. Guitars only. Abbreviated slightly.
Forgot to include download link. It should be there now.
i hope i made it in time 🙂
Phew. Just in time. Hahaha.
Here is my version ,enjoying listening to your mixes, good luck everybody
Really fun song to mix. Can’t get it out of my head.
Here you go just in case your browser runs out of memory while scrolling down through the thousands in soundcloud:
Throwing my hat into the ring as well…
Thanks for this opportunity, I really enjoyed myself!
Good luck and happy mixing, everyone…
Hi, here is my mix
Thank you for the opportunity.
Good comp and a great learning curve. A genuine deadline is about the only thing that ensures my finishing anything! I’ve been able to at least pretend I’m a pro for a while (which I am absolutely not!) – as evidenced by this: https://soundcloud.com/amateur-dramatix/i-am-cassettes-believe
All (constructive) criticism welcome/needed by the way. I’ve heard a few on soundcloud and there’s some very good mixers out there.
Best of luck everyone
Decided to give it a shot, here’s my mix:
Thanks for the contest!
Here’s my mix:
I found you mix with your link. its a really cool mix! i really liked it. however… there was no download link. they need to see a download link to get your mix. so enable the download link asap as they may not have gotten to your mix yet. but who knows…. good luck
Hey guys – I uploaded my mix last night onto Souncloud. I’m not very Soundcloud savvy, so I’m wondering if you guys got it or not. How do I tell?
Hi there, … Thanks God I am on time, … I loved mixing this song!!
Here is the link:
Please feel free to comment and I am very open to critics, …
This was a very lovely journey full of learning…
I will enjoy listening to all of your mixes too. !!
Thanks a lot,
Turn Up your volume knob, I did not apply a good amount limiting gain in the master!!
Oh my God, .. I thought that there was no setting to change to make the track downloadable, I thought that by making it “Public” it would be sufficient..
I already changed it now..
I hope I am not disqualified, ..
Here is our submission: https://soundcloud.com/solidtrax/i-am-cassettes-believe-mixed-and-mastered-by-solidtrax-bdl2015mix
Please be gentle, we don’t mix pop/rock often and we are currently rebuilding our studio, so we had to do this on a laptop with headphones. I know, excuses excuses… we had a lot of fun mixing this wonderful track and that’s what is most important, isn’t it? 🙂
Good luck everyone!!
Here is the link to my mix thanks
I’ve updated my submission posted earlier – thanks to a comment received pointing out an issue I hadn’t noticed. Hopefully this version is a bit better. Comments welcome.
Hello guys! I think that I was one of dudes who almost missed party =)
Found post about contest in FaceBook in two hours left for my time zone.
Any way I did it maybe it is not best mix but very fast one here it is
Mix is uploaded on time no worries about it =) .
Ok – only found out about this comp yesterday pm – but had great fun mixing the track. Hope I’m not too late. 😉
Here’s my effort: Please comment – I’d love feedback – this is the first proper go at mixing a decently recorded track 🙂
Good luck everyone.
It’s amazing. I don’t remember which mixes I’ve listened…
How will they choose a winner…
500 tracks, 4 minutes per track… more than 30 hours of audio…
Try more than a thousand mixes. Soundcloud is only showing a max of 500 but it’s been that way for weeks with at least 50 new mixes a day coming in.
I think that it hit the 500 search limit the day before yesterday (wednesday). if you search the “bdl2015mix” you will get everything that has that in the title which includes all those without a download link (eg. not submitted). but if you search #bdl2015mix (with the # symbol) you will only get those with the “proper” tag which includes most of those submitted. the latter hit the 500 mark on wednesday. there were maybe 200 submitted yesterday and maybe the same today so probably just under 1000 entries.
I’d love to know the judging process for this – how they managed all these mixes and narrowed it down.
Posted a few weeks ago but here is the link to my mix:
This is an awesome track! And mixing it was great fun!! 🙂
Here’s my contribution: https://soundcloud.com/samuel-lidstrom/i-am-cassettes-believe-mixed-by-samuel-lidstrom-bdl2015mix
I loved this song, it was a challenge to mix, I’ll be happy who can evaluate my mix. Thank you
Hello everybody! 🙂
My mix: https://soundcloud.com/3eesounddesign/i-am-cassettes-believe-3ee-mixdown3
Hope you like it and feel free to comment…
Fantastic solid and tight mids of rhythm guitar and bass. I can listen to that all day long.
Thank you! 🙂
Was a bit worried before posting the mix that the low-mids might be a bit too prominent VS the rest of the freqs but I guess they are in balance.
Here’s my mix
great experience, thanks
good mix to all!
Raffaele – I enjoyed your mix – it was creative and a good arrangement. But we have a great opportunity to learn from each other here so I have to say something – don’t take this hard – but your mix wins the loudness war for me. My ears actually hurt after the middle section. I’m a newbie to mixing but I’ve been listening to great rock music for a long time and loudness does not equal to powerful in a mix – I’m certain of that. Music is waves hitting the brain. If the brain flinches from too much power in the wave in too short a time, how can the listener get anything out of the song? I think the loudness wars are about getting heard over the din of so many other artists – I understand why it’s happening but I don’t like it and serious sound engineers should refuse to kowtow to artists, producers or big wig executives who insist they must “win” the loudness war. We’re all losing because of this loudness thing. And I know those of us who do this for a living (I don’t, not yet anyway) have to get gigs but what a shame it is where things have gone to. IMHO.
thank you! Personally I mixed the song without thinking about loudness war, I wanted that sound so I finalized the track for my personal taste, I appreciate your pont of view. Cheers!
So, I assume Boz will be using the Sound Cloud API to discover the contest entries ?
The Sound Cloud UI looks to have some issues with showing the correct results when you search with the bdl2015mix hashtag. Looking at the API calls there’s something fishy going on with paging the results.. Sometimes it tries to repeat a request for the next page of entries with a smaller than page size limit, and then it shifts to the next offset by page size and therefore skips tracks from the next page of search results ( example : fetch from offset 60 / limit 10, fetch from offset 62 / limit 2 , fetch from offset 72 / limit 10 ).
The Sound Cloud UI shows 455 entries ( counted with document.getElementsByClassName(“searchList__item”).length ).
The API shows that there are actually 699 entries currently ( https://api-v2.soundcloud.com/search/tracks?q=%23bdl2015mix shows “total_results”:699 in the returned JSON).
So basically there are currently 244 entries which are showing up in the search results in the Sound Cloud UI….
(this count of missed entries in the UI varies as the paging bug seems to be random, but it’s in that 220-250 range currently ).
My 2 cents. 🙂
“…244 entries which are showing up in the search results….” = 244 entries which are NOT showing up in the search results.
I think their algorithm is trying to show the most “popular” for a given tag or other search criteria. Does it work well? – I don’t know but the number it shows in results does change all the time.
No this bug is not about their sorting algorithm where songs get sorted by popularity (amount of plays + comments + likes). The issue is that a lot of the entries will not appear at all in the search results in the soundcloud UI because of soundcloud’s paging issue. Their REST API works fine though.
Here’s my version. Hope you enjoy and thanks again Boz & I Am Cassettes!
Great contest! I love to participate in this kind of stuff, you can find really talented people, and at the end of the day, everybody wins learning one each other. Good luck Everybody. Suerte Weyes!
Here´s my Mix. Hope you guys like it!
Great song — I hope I did it justice. Thanks, I Am Cassettes for the chance to mix your tune.
Take a listen: https://soundcloud.com/flybass-2/believe-skleinmix-final-bdl2015mix
Time to let go. This one was probably a tad too much to chew given my experience with mixing, but after 15 trials of mixing the song and 15 failures mixing the song, I settled down with this version.
Here’s my mix:
No downloads in the statistics so far, hope everything works out nicely. There seems to be a jungle of mixes out there, it’ll probably take a while for them to listen to everything LOL!
Oops, It’s time to upload my mix quickly… 🙂
You can find here : https://soundcloud.com/odie-flex/believe-i-am-cassettes-odie-mix-boz-contest-bdl2015mix
Thx to Boz Digital Labs and I Am Cassettes.
Good luck to all.
Here’s my contribution:
Great song. It’s been fun mixing it. I hope you like it.
Good luck to all of you.
Better late than never!
Here’s the mix:
So cool! Good luck to all that mixed the track and submitted it!!!
I had a great time mixing the song! Thanks Boz Digital Labs for this awesome opportunity!
Here is my mix:
Here’s my mix. Hope I’m not too late. I added an outro section using elements found within the stem files.
That’s a great competition and an excellent song to work with. Thanks for setting it up!
A few observations about the mix:
– As others have observed, there were some phase issues with drums
– The ‘drum room’ have kick in right channel but not left. Using a Mid/Side capable EQ is great for this, as you can do a high pass on sides and leave kick in the middle.
– The acoustic guitar has picking noise I was not able to get rid of. Tried eq, removing transients and even spectral editing. Any ideas on how to approach this?
– Synthesized strings are a little too obvious. This track would really shine with a real orchestra.
Here’s my version:
i removed the drum-room tracks entirely. Better go without them, than trying to get by with rubbish.
for the A-guitar, a good multiband comp goes a long way here. Needs Lookahead and quick attack/release
Hi guys, here is my mix. Any feedback/comments/constructive criticisms are welcome!
alright, I´m finally ready! My mix is this one:
It felt completely wrong to add any more delays / modulations / other FX to any of the tracks, as the song is arranged beautifully and dense, in a very nice and pleasing way, and does not need anything more. No additional instruments either, that would have really overloaded the song. So I decided to do a “mix-only”, and it turned out pretty good, I´d say.
Of course, I pushed loudness quite a bit, to make it loud enough ot be played in the middle of a playlist. BUT I kept it a little below the average level of my reference tracks, and turned down the piercing and exhausting upper frequency range. It´s not a dark mix, but more easily enjoyable than most other commercial ones. Of course, loudness can be turned down a bit further, or up even more, if anyone wishes.
Took the time and used lots of automation, to get rid of sibilance and other rubbish (HiHat in the overheads … argh! who´s responsible for THAT?), and of course to create some more movement in the entire song.
Enjoy the mix, and have fun @ all 🙂
Hello to all ya fellows out there !
One more mix for ya : Atros’ mix
Any comments, info recommendations or bashing, are welcome.
Would also like to thank Boz, David and the Cassettes guys for this chance, awesome contest !
HERE IS MY MIX. ITB.
Hi i Just uploaded my mix, any feedback will be appreciated!!
I uploaded my mix too! 🙂
Hello! I uploaded my mix too! 🙂
Here’s my submission.
Sadly I uploaded the wrong file earlier today, hoping you guys give this correct version a listen. I’m optimistic.
hey guys !
This is the link to my mix for the contest if you want to check it out and leave a comment :
its ok to uploud wav file 24 bit 44 hz ?
Yes, but why not 48kHz which is the original sample rate of the tracks?
Hello all, this’s my submission to BDL’s mixing contest.
I simulated a situation if a band approached me to mix their track on a tight budget and a really short deadline (like, tomorrow.)
I did not listen to Believe_GregJohnsonMix.mp3 or anyone’s mixes before mixing to make the experience more realistic.
About the mix :
– no additional drum replacement (kick already triggered),
– light quantizing for obvious playing mistakes.
– wanted to reamp the bass/guitars ,but no time and it’s already late.
– because I didn’t know the lyrics, I thought it went
“so download your tracks / do your best / and fix what needs fixing” (and I fixed the other “gang vocals” at this part which was a little off time..)
while uploading, i checked out the lyrics and realised it was “So touch down your heart, To my chest , And fix what needs fixing ” lol . guess it’s time to sleep…
Took me 5 hours. Done , #tagged and submitted.
thanks for the experience I had fun! I would have charged this mix at approx $180 USD (after currency conversion). it’s not my “best effort” due to time constraints and personal commitment. but hope I at least win something nice! any feedbacks about my mix will be highly appreciated.
Thanks Boz and the guys from I Am Cassettes for this mixing contest and opportunity.
Lastly the note about “This is not a loudness contest. Smashing your mix into oblivion is not the purpose.” , I’m not sure if I’ve broken any loudness rules, I’m not audio trained, I just sorta shutupandmix so please take it easy on me if I offended anyone sonically.
Hey Blueprint. very interesting approach and I will listen to your mix. I took the complete opposite approach: unlimited budget, do the best I can possibly do. push my limits. I put about 100 hours into my mix. My approach was to have a satisfied client (band, record company) and a satisfied audience while trying to satisfy myself however, the latter was the lowest priority (however I strive for all of it). In order to understand what the band may want, I did research. first, i listened to all the stem, each alone, dry. then I listened to the supplied mix. I purchased the official single mix and reviewed that. then I watched the band on youtube and read about them. then back to listening to the mixes and stems. now I could start to put this together knowing more about the band and the audience. from the stems then I could infer things about what the band might want, taking their more typical style into account. an operating assumption I made was that I was hired to bring my own sound into the project. that they wanted this and that’s why I was here. all that to me is the tricky part about production – trying to satisfy as many people as possible including yourself – this take a lack of ego, asking questions, not letting anything go that is questionable, and taking all parties into consideration (including the music they create). They are there to perform and direct. I am there to create the sound while satisfying their expectations. and the audience. and the record company. etc. etc. Part of my job is to make them sound good. so for example, you know the last note/hit after the “what I believe in….” quieter part? there is a bass guitar, kick and piano on that. do you not hear the bass? it honks! it sounds horrible. I spent an hour just on that bass note to make it blend in. that’s what makes it take 100 hours, baby. but then, it’s all subjective… who knows. i’ve listened to most of the mixes you’ve posted. many are very very good. i don’t know for sure what the band and the judges want. i even took into account the judges and used plugins for gear they might know. hoping subconsciously they could hear it. tricks. you gotta have tricks. and ear candy.
Brett I love your mix it’s the most original I’ve heard so far and very well crafted. I took a different approach still, did zero research on the source of the material. I started with the rhythm tracks (the smash ’em cymbals near the end got my attention!), then brought in bass, then rest of guitars, then orchestra and finally vocals in that order. I had no idea what was coming until I heard Josh’s gritty but colorful voice. Once I heard that and thought about the words of the song I knew what it was about. The rest was all polish and I spent about 40 hours total on the mix. I leveled and eq’d most things as I went along too. Also wasn’t afraid to use fade-in/out via automation – why not?
No matter who wins this contest, it has been a great experience for a newbie like me. I’m proud of the punch and swell of my mix and the way the opening sounds like a rain storm outside while a very intimate vocal on the inside. Also loved the orchestral arrangement (reminded me a little of an ancient album called Days of Future Passed by the Moody Blues) and couldn’t resist pumping up the reverb on that so it sounds more like a live orchestra in a concert hall – why not?
I did other things which I may reveal after this contest is over but the key mantra I went by on the whole thing was “keep it moving – don’t let it settle into a groove”. Cause I didn’t think it was a groove type song – it should be more straight rock ballad I think – subjective of course 🙂
heheh, that approach of “doing your best/push beyond limits/no money talk” is truly what passion means. that’s cool , I feel ya. of course on my end it doesn’t mean I don’t have passion, I just don’t have the time for it if it doesn’t pay my bills to fuel my passion in a reality check as I was literally timing myself with a stopwatch and quickly get it done to get my 7hr rest so i can get back to my life the next day (I have a day job, currently attending 2 sets of classes, 6 freelance jobs and married.which explains my lack of time and time is money.. and this mixing competition came at a bad time! oops shh… rule 3 no whining hehehe) I just did it like how I would usually do when I get paid doing it that’s all. 100 hours, wow, wish you’d win something since you really poured your heart into it. all the best!
Yes, I hear you completely – life is very busy. I am lucky that I had the time to put into this – frankly the tune was worth the effort. But your approach is real-world in that we often do not have the time to devote to things even if we want to. and in a working studio situation the less time you spend the better it is for everyone. Speaking of saving time: as we talked about on soundcloud, one way to save time is to consider a final buss EQ to smooth out the mix. with your permission, I took your mix and ran it through an RS56 and buss compressor. I was able to eek out another 2-3dB of dynamic range – its something you can do to quickly gussy-up a mix. ideally you want to go in and fix the problems at the track/stem level, even re-record where necessary. but a buss EQ can sometimes do wonders.
hey brett, yeah real world. getting married , family and mortgage bills sure bursted my dream bubble and forged into a steel wrecking ball..heh. anyway thanks for taking the time to help improve my mix’s flaws (the loudness dynamics and the bass) . really appreciate the sharing of details. I do have an EQ/limiter on my master faders etc. while rushing i forgot to load the TT Dynamic Range meter (i have the old free version i think, not the brainworx’s) and just went by ear… I guess that’s where I need to “fix what needs fixing” omg that line rings in my head. I don’t use RS56 but will try replicate with what I got.
thanks again for the advice!
I just posted on soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/ksivov/i-am-cassettes-believe-bdl2015mix
but for some reason my track doesn’t appear here: https://soundcloud.com/tags/bdl2015mix.
It’s tagged and set up correctly, but it’s not there… 🙁
Anyway, just in case, posting it here, too. 🙂
Awesome song and a great competition! Good luck to all!
It might be there … The results are not chronological, so probably all is ok. Sorry for the spam.
this is my attempt to mix:
Good luck to all.
Make sure you submit it to the mixing contest here: https://www.bozdigitallabs.com/phpfunctions/submitsongform.php
Good morning Guys,
Given that in a competition we can’t get input from the band, the producer, or the record label, it seems best to create a clean and balanced mix similar to the commercial songs we hear every day on the radio. A mix that will serve the song and let every track be heard clearly, while still heightening the energy in the tune, and that will respect the work of all the vocalists, instrumentalists, and arrangers on the track.
Thank you again Boz, David, the band members, and everyone for this great song and all the work behind this contest.
STUDIO Maks Productions, LLC
Agree Max. Why not 🙂
I’ve found that not all the mixes on SoundCloud are downloadable. So was mine. Some permissions must be checked while uploading file. Rivise this in your uploads. The tracks must be downloadable – it’s one of the rules in bold for the contest.
This might help:
To make your track downloadable after uploading, click the pencil icon under the track’s waveform to go to the edit page. From there, go to the ‘Permissions’ tab and click the circle that says ‘Downloads disabled’ to make it display ‘Downloads enabled’ and click save.
It’s not a big deal. Boz has already said that if he needs to download your track and they can’t, they will contact you requesting to make it downloadable.
I’ m about to submmit my mix but I’m new to soundcloud, does any one knows if there’s any advantage in upload the song in MP3 vrs Wav file? I tested uploading my mix MP3 and sounds weird!
Great song by the way and Love the band!
Does any one knows where can I listen more I Am Cassettes?
MP3 uses a compression technique (to reduce file size) by compromising the audio quality in order to crunch the file size down – it is a lossy format meaning that data/quality is lost and can NOT be recovered. a WAV is uncompressed audio and is the highest quality – there is no data/quality loss however the file size is larger. The judges will presumably be using the downloaded version in their judging so you’d be best to post the WAV to preserve as much quality as possible.
I thought about this. My goal was to turn out a decent mp3 and win based on that, which is what most listeners would be hearing these days. A mix that doesn’t transfer well to compressed, reduced fidelity formats isn’t as useful anymore because the CD format, despite it’s 90db dynamic range and storage capacity, appears to be fading out as the go-to medium.
Thanks mtkeiter as well!!!
Thanks a lot Brett!!!
I’ve done guys:)
Here’s My Mix:
Here’s my mix: https://soundcloud.com/ivo-da-cunha/i-am-cassetes-believe-mixing-contest
It was nice doing this. I’m still taking my first steps in terms of mixing and I learned a bit more doing this one.
Regards and good luck.
Here is my mix: https://soundcloud.com/jaimesmix/believe-jaimelopesmix-bdl2015mix
Had fun with this, so good to work with well recorded/produced tracks! Much better than the stuff I usually get sent!
Happy mixing to us! 🙂 Here is my mix:
God bless us all!
A simple request.. many users have made changes during the contest and with the option “replace” it’s possible to change new better mixes.
When you do the downloads? Past 21th?
Stepped out of my comfort zone with this one. Haven’t mixed vocals in sometime. Definitely enjoyed the experience. Thank you for the opportunity. Best of luck to everyone that entered.
Will we be notified when our submissions are received? Also, not sure why Soundcloud has my song length for 6:58 but I tried to fix it, and couldn’t find anything help site or forums explaining. Never had that happen with my other songs on Soundcloud. Hope it’s not a problem.
Here’s my entry link: https://soundcloud.com/antonio-reeves330/believe-band-i-am-cassettes-bdl-2015-mix-contest-ar-music
I’ve downloaded your file. That has this length actually. There is silence at the end (from 3:44 to 6:58).
Yeah, i’m not sure why it did that. Soundcloud is adding the extra time onto the track. i’ve been searching for a fix. Thanks for downloading.
Here is the corrected file.
Man, this was really fun. Challenging, but fun.
Here’s my mix for the contest:
Should I be worried that my mix has been up a while but hasn’t been downloaded?
Here’s my mix, first time I’ve entered into a competition since my school sports day in 1993.
I would say that I am not a professional audio. I’m studying a lot about the subject two years because I am passionate about music. I’m from Recife – Pernambuco – Brazil. I found fantastic music with various instruments.
I had a great mixing this sound. Congratulations to the organizers for this initiative.
Good luck to the competitors and also the judges.
Please forgive my English, because I can not speak or write very well. I used the GOOGLE translator.
Hey guys, all right?
I hope everyone had fun like me in this mix !
There goes my:
great idea this contest, really cool opportunity and nice song as well!
got one question tho (and sorry if it’s been asked): can you give us an exact date&time on when the contest finishes (hh, time zone)? Don’t wanna miss out because I’m a few hours late, haven’t started my mix yet =)
The info is at the top of the page under “Rules”:
2) Submit your mix by August 21. That’s this coming Friday.
That would be at midnight. To be safe I would consider midnight Eastern Standard Time (New York time) even though, if I am not mistaken, the company is in California.
Maybe someone will add more precise info to this.
I hope this helps. Good luck.
thanks fo the info! that makes sense I guess… I’ll just blame you if it’s incorrect. just kidding 😉
Good luck to all!
I have uploaded my mix in soundcloud
Hi to all, it was pleasure to mix this song. I heard the synths of orchestra and program again first and second part, i hope it sound good for you
There is it, hope enjoy and comment if you want to :))
I uploaded my mix to soundclowd a few day ago, but didn’t have it downloadable. I now have that fixed so you can now download it. Hope everything works OK with that. Believe8 12 15_HarveySmith #bdl2015mix
Does it have to be an MP3? I forgot to convert it and uploaded a wav file. Personally, I don’t like MP3s.
Nope. Wav file is fine.
Hi folks. Here’s my submission. Thanks for the opportunity to work with such a nice tune!
Hi, pls kindly make it clear for all Contestants
“After the 100th download, the download button on your sound will be disabled.”
Do we need to upgrade to SC “Pro Plan”?
Will our mix be disqualified if we don’t wanna upgrade to SC “Pro Plan”?
received an email from SC…
“Nice! Looks like your sound Believe – Mixed by HYD #bdl2015mix is getting very popular.
That means your sound will soon be reaching the 100 downloads per sound limit.
After the 100th download, the download button on your sound will be disabled.
If you’d like your sound to be available for more downloads, upgrade to the next Pro plan. Get a Pro Unlimited plan for unlimited downloads per sound. If you need less, a Pro plan offers 1000 downloads per sound.
A Pro plan also helps you better share your sounds and learn more about who’s listening to them across the web.”
Mix what needs mixing… I reached the final cut today. This has been a lot of fun and I’ve learned a bunch of things too. Boz and David – thanks for putting this out for us. I pushed my setup to the limit with this mix but it came out in one piece. Here is the result:
Hmmm thought I had the anchor tag working but there it is in plain text:
Hi all and hi bozmillar
My 2 cents:
Already tagged but comments nevertheless welcome !
Mix what needs mixing!!!:)))))
My mix is coming soon;)
Thanks for the tip, now I got it. I did searching phrase “bdl2015mix” (without hash mark)
Just a little note about Soundcloud Search. Searching by tag #bdl2015mix gives 500 tracks, but probably there are
more mixes uploaded. Anyone here, who knows how to get unlimited result list in Soundcloud?
500? I only get 288 tracks when searching the tag: https://soundcloud.com/search/sounds?q=%23bdl2015mix&filter.genre_or_tag=bdl2015mix
What is your favorite plugins/hardware? (that you have used for this mix)
My advice is to try and reduce the use of the one called “shameless plug” 😉
Wow there are so many mixes so far , what a great song , I would hate to have to juge this I have heard quite a few that were real good, well good luck every body . Here Is my shot at It
Hi Gents and Ladies,
I hope you like my version? (I first uploaded the wrong file, so I hope I’m still in the contest hahahaha)
All the best and enjoy.
What do you think of the intro? Too much? I kinda liked how it’s a bit more rustic.
Well, I’m seeing about 305 mixes entered so far! And still about 10 days to go. I’ve hear a lot of “Good” mixes too, so I’m glad I’m not a judge!
My mix is not ready but here is a little teaser. this is NOT my submission.
I dunno about you guys, but it took me longer than a while to mix this! There were a lot of things that needed finxin’ !
Thanks for the opportunity to mix this! Great song and I had a ton of fun (I think!) 🙂
Here’s my attempt:
Another one to the pile:
Her is my mix:
Oploaded the new version https://soundcloud.com/lucas_hammond/i-am-cassettes-believe
SoundCloud is back online
Just for your info, Boz wrote this some days ago:
“We are going through and listening to them as they are tagged, so if you upload, tag, and then later change it, we will not hear the changes. So just wait until you are sure you are ready to submit it to tag us.”
Hi there folks, here is my version and I only mix and master this one time out of the box :-))
I really hope you like it?
Hi Luc. when you say “out of the box” do you mean with tape and analogue console + outboard procesors? that’s what “out of the box” means to me… would be cool to know! i liked your mix. i felt the drums were calling a little too much attention to themselves. the mix had good dynamics and power.
Think I’ve been not clear about “out of the box”, I rather mean that I used unconventional ways to get voices out of the mid and let them ‘walk around’ the mid.
I don’t like “conventional” in this song, and its how i felt when I made the mix.
I am uploading a better mix to Soundcloud but i found they have server problems right at this moment 🙁
Its impossible to upload anything to Soundcloud now.
I’ll keep on trying 😉
Great song! Here’s my mix!
Please, tell me what you think. I’ll do the same for you!
I like the song and I’m enjoying mixing it. I would make a correction though. Yes you can use 6/8 as the time signature but since the song has a 4/4 feel, it is actually 12/8. 6/8 is a 2/4 feel almost like a march. I know this is nit picking but there you go.
Looking forward to hearing everyone’s mixes!
I took this song as 6/4 148 bpm. It has a lot of forward energy and definitely not blues style so that’s what I heard. Ha ha I didn’t see the text above that said what the time and bpm was – I just scoped out the time from following the kick drum in the intro.
and the next one – air and balance, not too loud : https://soundcloud.com/marcinwasilewski/mixing-contest-believe-by-marcin-wasilewski
little correction needed, old mix deleted. this is only one final version – https://soundcloud.com/marcinwasilewski/mixing-contest-believe-by-marcinwasilewski
wav 48khz link – https://www.dropbox.com/s/wa93dbbg4bvpolo/Mixing%20Contest%20Believe%20by%20marcinwasilewski.wav?dl=0
Here’s my mix.
Comments are welcome.
Here’s my mix guys!
Cheers from Brazil!
Here is also my version
Please free to comment as i moved to new studio 🙂
Oh rats – just noticed/been told that I didn’t enable DOWNLOADS – something to do with my age I suspect 🙂
So, hey BOZ – I have now enabled the download. Hope you can still get at it …
Cheers, and thanks for the opportunity to mix – great fun and enjoyable – mixed this style before with a group who played many gigs at Glastonbury.
thx a lot for this great contest!!! Got my mix ‘fixed’ yesterday. BTW this band is awesome!!! Good luck to all fixedfixerfixinfixmixer out there and greetz from Germany!
FYI http://www.aes.org/technical/documentDownloads.cfm?docID=65 Paper on the loudness problem in 21st audio engineering
OUT NOW ! on soundcloud ..
let’s check my mixing and mastering project for submitted to BDL Mix competition 2015
tap this link and got it !!
don’t forget to leave your like & comment at my soundcloud page .. ?
thanks for your support guys!
Thanks for the opportunity! I’m from Colombia. I have a mixing and mastering studio. You can listen to my version here:
no mastered!!! 😉
I hope your suggestions, thanks a lot!
Hello. Does posting a mix sooner rather than later have implications to the judging process?
Q: where can we listen to the other contestants mixes?
Click the tag on your mix and it will take you to all the tracks in the contest that are tagged
Great song, I like the band, and I really, really like the vocals.
I’m enjoying mixing it.
I see a lot of submissions forgetting to enable downloads on their tracks
That’s ok, if downloads are not enabled and we need to download it, we can just PM them and they can enable it. It’s certainly not going to disqualify anyone.
The rules state “but once you submit it, you have submitted it.” What if I want to post it to Soundcloud to get people’s feedback? Is that post considered the final submission? what if I post it and then re-upload and updated version? Can you clarify this? I’d like to post it to get feedback but I don’t want my post to be considered my submission. but I do want to use the tag so people can find it. If you can clarify that would be helpful. thanks!
If you upload it to soundcloud and don’t tag us, we will not see it, so you are fine uploading it for feedback before submitting. We are going through and listening to them as they are tagged, so if you upload, tag, and then later change it, we will not hear the changes. So just wait until you are sure you are ready to submit it to tag us.
Dammit then – I have made a few changes and replaced my file – does that mean then that my latest and greatest entry (haha!) won’t get considered at all then? If so, that makes me quite sad 🙁
Trouble is the changes were not subtle, so the latest version is much more what I would call my “definitive” mix …
I could set up another a/c and re-submit under an alias – but that would be a bit like cheating eh?
Any chance of listening again – and then binning the mix or putting it into the “maybe” pot???
If you could I would be so grateful – so much hard work gone into this.
Cheers from a rather chilly (for summer) York in the UK.
dB (aka doctorobob)
how do you level match the mixes using soundcloud streaming?
Didn’t know that, first uploaded the wrong file. You can find the right file on https://soundcloud.com/lucas_hammond/i-am-cassettes-believe
I hope I can still be in this contest? Took me 4 days, however I am not a professional sound engineer so I suppose I have no chance at all (I am 52 and just started 1.5 years ago) However I had a lot of joy to produce this. I hope you like it too.
I uploaded a test version and tagged it, but without making it downloadable. I thought that would hold off the download. I listened to the streaming version, found it way too harsh, so re-tweaked the next day, uploaded it and then made it downloadable.
From your comment, I understand you downloaded the first version. I didn’t know you could download without us allowing it. If that’s the case, I think it should have been clearly mentioned.
I also see that most tracks have not been downloaded, where the stats are visible.
In any case, I would sincerely like that my actual version that’s been up for days now be the one that the judges will hear. Is that at all possible ??
Thanks for reading, and answering.
PS – I found the contest quite challenging, and learnt a lot from it.
Please check them out and leave comments.
I’m wondering if anybody could help out with the cymbals in the overhead and room mics? They’re very very garish!
Otherwise this is turning out to be a fun track!
sure. and I agree. first, as has been pointed out, one of the overheads is out of phase with the other. so you have to correct that. also, the tracks labelled HH1 and Ride1 are not, to my ears, a hihat and ride mike per-se. they appear to be a close-kit stereo pair. so pan them equally and treat them like a stereo pair. make sure you align, in the soundstage, the hihat in that stereo pair with where you hear it from the over-heads. then, mix the drum without the over-heads, room and HH/Ride (so just kick, snare, toms). then, bring up the room pair to taste. be conservative. EQ to taste. then, bring up the HH/Ride pair, EQ to taste – EQ is your friend here. you will hear in this pair a lot of drum bleed. you will have to deal with that (dont just leave it there). the HH/Ride pair are critical to EQ to get that harshness out. then bring up the over-heads to taste. again make sure to use EQ on these to get rid of spectra that doesn’t sound good and to make room for all the other instruments. get a good drum mix first and mix in the bass and then the rest. finally, for these stereo pairs make sure to use a good quality linear phase EQ because you dont want phase shifts across stereo mics.
I should add, monitoring is critical for a good cymbal mix. dont just rely on your main monitoring system. use headphones that are known to be bright so you can hear what it sounds like on a bright system. headphone, so that the cymbals are forced into your ears. 🙂 mix them conservatively otherwise they will over-whelm the mix and especially on a bright system. that’s my advice anyway. there are no hard fast rules here.
Thanks for all the helpful advice here Brett!
I’ve uploaded my mix and I don’t see it. Do I have to “Go Pro” @ soundcloud?
the free account should be fine but you have to log into that account to see your uploads. sometimes it takes a minute or two to process the upload but is usually fast unless you upload something that needs to be converted for soundcloud to play. i am not trying to sound demeaning but it is kinda basic. the main things of note is… it has to have a (#)tag of some sort before it will allow you to save it… and of course you have to hit the save button at the bottom after it is uploaded to actually save the file to the cloud. once it is processed and ready it should show a link to go to the actual soundcloud page it is on. if you are logged in… and it is still not there… just upload it again and use the tag (bdl2015mix) it will put the # symbol there for you and of course be sure to hit that save button at the bottom. cheers
Done~ Thank you very much for your help! Good luck to all~ ^^
No just be logged in to the account you uploaded it to 🙂
All the talk on this that or the other about stems in and out of phase etc here’s my thoughts on it all The judges are looking for a Great mix period they probably don’t really care how you get three as long as you get there lol
Yep. That pretty much perfectly sums it up.
Hey, here is my submission. Good luck to all. https://soundcloud.com/salvatore-salierno/i-am-cassettes-believe-mixed-by-salvatore-salierno-bdl2015mix
Um, Dude, if thats your entry, theres a big sine wave at 2.38sec…
Are these drums labeled from drummers perspective or audience? Also, I noticed the drum room left and right sound completely different from each other. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but i’m going to have to either re-sample to a different kit, or world-ize a stereo mix of the kit and re-record it in a room to get a true stereo image.
Yep, the drum room left and right sound completely different. Do what you need to do to make the mix sound the way you want it to sound.
I apologize for asking again but I believe the answer will help other people. Will our submissions be ignored or disqualified if we upload a CD-quality WAV file to Soundcloud (which SC supports) instead of an MP3?
Yes, you can upload the wav file.
Cool. Thank you!
Can we please get a clarification or a nice bold reminder at the top of this page about only submitting a mix once? Several people have resubmitted their mixes multiple times.
Thanks for doing the contest!!!
My guess is that resubmission using the same user name is allowed. Why shouldn’t it be?
I am totally fine with that but rule number one is vague at best:
1) One Entry Per Person. You can enter one song. You are free to post your mix for feedback on other forums or Facebook or whatever, but once you submit it, you have submitted it.
If I may, I believe they want us to spend time on making our mixes sterling so we have a good chance to win, and not on looking at details and activities of other contestants. It’s arguably the best use of our time, given the number of competitors we must outdo.
Good luck, guys!
Rule number 1 should be Always make clear rules. 🙂
thanks again for this opportunity. you mentioned that mixes should sound good when level-matched. for this it is crucial to know at WHAT level. will you use itunes (-16 LUFS) to listen to the mixes? i have downloaded and listened to some of the mixes so far and some are completely smashed (-7 LUFS) while others are unmastered and very low. we cannot adjust the loudness without knowing the target – your monitors/ears. so please let us know. also, do you want a 48 khz or a 44 khz master? i want to avoid any sample rate conversion of my mix after submission.
Well, there is about 37 mixes entered already and there is still about 25 days to go. Anyone want to guess how many mixes there will be on the 21 of August? Also, thought Rule #5 was very important! I guess we will have to send in our mothers email address too! lol!!!!
Hello Boz, First I must say the Orchestra is awesome. Greg is a beast. Now my questions; what do the judges think about mono compatibility? Pensando says “Mono is dead”. I tend to take that fella pretty seriously. Also curious, who are the judges? If i was mixing based on what I’ve heard from Paschke, Johnson, and Bendeth I would emphasize different aspects. Last question. Is that a vibrulux?
Thanks for your time, and all that you do, J
Of course I meant vibrolux
Chris Lord-Alge also says he doesn’t worry about mono and he spreads the stereo field as far as it’ll go. Mastering engineers will often spread it even more. IMHO, we should mix in stereo (without especially trying to position mix elements out of the speakers’ field) and not worry about mono compatibility. If you want to be picky, listen to it in mono once, to make sure no instrument is missing, but I would not try to keep the same general volume as when listening in stereo. That can be a week-long nightmare and I am not sure a perfect solution even exists.
I just do a check in mono to make sure its all mostly there. mono is not a high priority unless something obvious sticks out like missing vocals or something like that.
Thank you thought so just wasn’t sure will be uploaded in a little bit
Hate to sound stupid but the instructions are not very clear on were we submit our entries to? I understand the soundcloud etc if we are supposed to submit a link were?
When you upload it to soundcloud, it will give you the option to tag it. Just tag it with #bdl2015mix and we will see it.
FYI: I just wanted everyone to know that if you merely type #bdl2015mix in the search box you won’t have access to all of the submitted mixes. You need to click on one of the links labeled #bdl2015mix after your initial search (located on the top right of the track bar). This will go to the page with all of the entries. I am not sure why this is but I see many more entries on this second page than I do on the first search results page.
I had uploaded my mix the other day under IronOak Sound. Someone had mentioned earlier that the OVHs are out of phase, so anyone reading this should check their alignment. Other than a few alignment issues and tunings, I thought this was a very fun project. However, I gave it a bit of a “produced” feeling. Have fun, all!
yeah it’s fixed!!! had a ‘chromeout’ and could not post. 🙁
I submitted my entry. Good luck to all!
Will the judges be judging on the sheer epicness of it, or will a more intimate mix still be in the running? I think the song is a lot Bob Ezrin’d (overproduced).
YOU are the producer. under produce it. 🙂
Robert Fripp it?
What is the BPM for this song? I was guessing by tapping 50-51 or 100-102
Whoops. I see it now.
Does anybody else feel the pressure when he sings, “fix what needs fixing…” as though we’re being prodded to properly align and tune these backing vox?
It does seem like there are anomalies purposely created in the stems however all the one’s I’ve found are not atypical of a tracking session so it might just be coincidence. I just think that it’s a true-to-nature tracking session with a band that is still learning the ins and outs of recording. that makes it more challenging for us to preen the tracks into a clean mix which is likely part of what the judges will be looking for. if you think its not musical, go in and tweek away!
Well I was just being silly but I do agree with you, I’m sure the judges are well aware of the issues in the stems and I do think they’re mostly looking for a clean mix that fits in with industry standards for this type of tune. I’m curious to hear what the other contestants come up with, I’m certain some people will try some really creative angles and interesting ideas. Good luck to you and everybody else.
I just downloaded the files, and unzipped.
Says .wav on all extensions, of what I looked into…But in the properties page of the wav file, I Get different KBPS…the drums seem to be 1152kbps.
And in the Orchestra folder…the flute is 2304kbps.
I have not checked all the files…Yet after reading in, I thought this was remedied?….No biggy …I can rerecord/render to my specs…..
Thanks for the tips People!….
some are stereo, some are mono. Hence the bit rate difference.
My mix…I rushed it to 12:12am 21, 2015…I hope I did not miss the deadline..but it is not mastered….Just pushed and quickly eq to a mix….
Thanks for the fun!
Good luck to all.
Mix uploaded! Thanks for the chance guys and good luck everybody!
Hey guys, newly registered user here.
This is awesome!!! 🙂
Are we allowed to upload a CD-quality WAV file instead of an MP3–and keep all our mix’ frequencies intact?
Thanks! Will give a go:-)
What a wonderful song to be working on! thanks guys. its great when the song is enjoyable. i really want to use sasquatch on the kick but the kick doesn’t need it! 🙂
I only Mix today, don’t play anything, any more, so this gone be mixed with the track I have.
Something to look out for with the drums, I think the right channel of the overheads is out of phase.
Simple fix, but something that inexperienced mixers may not notice.
ah ha. i knew something was wrong there. i was pre-occupied with the guitars and planning to go back. thanks for the clue. there are many little issues with the tracking but they aren’t uncommon. but i wonder if they’ve put some little traps for young players in like that on purpose! 😉 😉 no matter. we’ll whip it into shape!
the distorted bass definitely is a trap 😛 but no biggie, just “fix what needs fixin´”
I feel sorry for the majority of the people who won’t read your comment and will have out of phase mixes. Looks like you’re at an advantage.
This is definitely exciting! Finally a mixing (and not a remixing) contest!
I am wondering if we are not missing a step between Step 3 and Step 4. How will you know who is who if we don’t do more than uploading our mixes to Soundcloud all under the same tag? How will you know who uploaded what? Don’t you need us to register somehow with our email, name,…? What link/page do we use for that? I couldn’t find it.
Thank you much!
That will be simple enough to sort out when we pick the winner. If for some crazy reason, multiple people come to me saying they were the winning mix, we can sort it by just sending us a PM through the soundcloud account that won.
Cool. I understand now how this will work. I only have a superficial knowledge of Soundcloud and didn’t get it immediately. Thanks a lot!
You have to have an individual account with sound cloud just like on Facebook or twitter its unique to you based on the information and e-mail address you gave when you signed up
Hi!! Can I Sample The Kicks For Future Use? Thanks!!
I’m curious to know how much processing has been done to the stems? I took a quick listen through some of them and I can hear some pitch correction on the vocals. Have any of the other stems been processed and have the drums been quantized? I’d just like to know before I start working on them since it will determine on how I mess with them. Thanks!
Hi interesting prospect are the tom stems meant to be stereo files???
Thanks for hosting this contest with wonderful prizes and great tracks to work with!
Sooo glad to got this invite in my inbox. The song is great and by reading the comments it is pretty open for everything (same same but different).
Typical question … we need tu submit just the mix or do we need to master it?
Well, that depends on if you mean actual mastering or pretend mastering (ie, making it loud). The final mix should sound good. It should be able to stand next to a fully produced song and sound good when level matched. You don’t need to make it super loud.
i would appreciate if you could provide a clear target regarding loudness in LUFS so that there is no misunderstanding what “loud” means to you. this would help to have a fair, loudness-leveled judgement of the mixes! would that be possible?
my suggestion is ITU-R BS.1770-2:
-12 LUFS (+ – 1)
thx & cheers.
just use your ears 🙂
Boz & Bendeth, thanks for doing this. Exited to see what can be done with the tracks.
Dope, Well this is gonna be fun, I actually have no Third Party plug-ins, all Stock Pro Tools 11 plug-ins. But it’s gpnna be fun to mix. Thanks for emailing me
Xalbeats, as you surely is aware of by now, you can easily do with those 11 plug-ins, of which some surely is not world class.
But I have been doing fine with even less for years, full productions, that is. so do’nt sweat it. And btw. there are lots of free RTAS plugz out there (and by free I don’t mean cracked, just folks who know their stuff around coding plugz and want to share), like Boz’s own Bark of Dog (under their menu “plugins” and 2nd from the bottom :-). But for the most comprehensible list of free plugz, go to: dontcrack.com/freeware and feast your eyes 😉 and then just search for free RTAS plug-plugins
and i agree… good tune and will be great to work on. cheers
thnx boz and evergroove… i got it sorted. like i said… did not think and the word ‘some’ threw me off a bit so i learned somethin’ cheers
This is a really cool tune. Lotsa vocal artifacts but hey… real world scenario baby!
lot of artifacts on the drum tracks too lol but they cleaned up nicely it was a great tune to be working on
but then again… maybe i started the session in the wrong sample rate… so i mite be jumpin’ the gun here. (and you know what they say… mites grow around a chicken’s patoot! ) hehe
So far every track I’ve checked has been 48kHz. I’ll make a note of it above in case it throws anybody off.
that’s cool… i am kinda new to pro tools and it says “some” of the audio files… so that threw me off. i have sessions set @ 44.1… i will either convert or change the session sample rate. cheers my bad… sorry
my other DAWs auto convert like your reaper did or does. apparently PT doesn’t automatically convert. sorry again for the trouble i may have caused. cheers
No trouble. Lots of people are bound to run into the same question.
If you use File > Import > Audio then you’ll be able to convert any/all files to whatever sample rate you desire. So far all files have been 24/48.
got a question… why is there multiple sample rates on the stems? not whining so to speak… but definitely a pain to start with. cheers
I’ll check that out. When I imported the stems to check them out, I brought them into reaper and it just converted it automatically, so I didn’t notice any issues. Give me a minute and I’ll check it out.
didn’t have any problems with the stems but I use CubeBase and Nuendo
not saying it can’t be remedied but for beginners… it is gonna give them fits! jus’ sayin’
well Pro Tools notes it and says that some of the sample rates will not play correctly. it is no biggy… just needs to be noted. cheers
So we can remix the song with new instruments but keep some of the original content of the song?
well, I guess technically you can. It will be up to the judges to decide if it is worthy of winning or not. The judges focus will be on the mixing of the song. If changing up some aspects makes the mix sound better, then so be it.
Thanks, was just a little curious if i could the mix to the moon and back or just stay at ground level. LOL
Ok so it’s not just mixing. its mix and production. got it!
Looking forward to working on this! Are contestants permitted to use the final mixed versions we submit in our portfolios?
Is the contest open worldwide ?
That’s perfect!! I’m gonna try it!! Boz thanks a lot!!
Great! I’m looking forward to participate in the context. Just a question. Can you get creative with your mix? Does it have to be a mix where you just do leveling, EQing, compressing… aiming just to get a loud and clear mix; or can you get creative with things like delay, reverb, filtering, doubling…? I mean, without altering the original arrangement of the song, of course, just to spice up the listening experience a little bit.
Good luck to everyone!
Please be creative with your mix. Pretend like you just got these tracks and your job is to turn it into the best song ever made.
“once you submit it, you have submitted it” – I had to delete my mix, made some correction and uploaded a new one. Is it acceptable ?
IMHO the files should be searched and downloaded by judges after the deadline. Maybe some contestants want to make corrections based on feedback for example. I think , if you delete your mix and upload new one before deadline (and tag it to #bdl2015mix also), it will be shown again in search result.
Awesome contest! Quick question though: what are the rules on using elements not from the original mix? Like sample augmentation on drums, or aux percussion loops that weren’t in the original? Thanks!
Using sample augmentation is perfectly fine.